Remember those Ecuadorian fishermen who died after a month adrift , leaving only one survivor ... yeah, turns out cruise ship passengers saw them, alerted the captain, he did nothing and later appears last minute cruise discounts to have lied in his report last minute cruise discounts .
I know that snark is expected around here but one boy died the next day, and the other died five days later in one of the very worst and most horrible ways to die. This is beyond horrific. Even if this ship was unable to help for some reason I cannot imagine, they could easily have called in some kind of naval help? And what about the other crew who were aware of the situation?
What the fuck is wrong with the chain of command at Carnival that this captain didn't stop? As tempting as it is to pin all the blame on him as a bad actor, I don't believe it -- I don't believe that someone would be that callous last minute cruise discounts unless they had considerable pressure placed last minute cruise discounts on them from above. Nothing so extreme as let people die of exposure, of course, but probably more like schedule slippage last minute cruise discounts will result in penalties or firings regardless of cause. And maybe the captain should have made different decisions last minute cruise discounts despite those conditions -- certainly he should have -- but this is an institutional problem, not a personal one.
We can only punish them with our pocketbooks. Get to work, social media activists. I feel sure you can bleed Carnival dry on this -- it's exactly the sort of thing angry grandparents will forward on to each other via email.
KathrynT: I believe it: it seems that the captain's logs from the actual date say that it was just a few happy fishermen in their boats who wanted them to stay away from their nets and were only waving to thank them.
My 16-year-old son was in the car with me this morning when this story played on NPR. The look he gave me when he realized what the captain had done was the exact same look he gave me at about age 1 when I held his arms down tightly so the doctor could give him a shot. Shock, betrayal, and a realization that people can be willfully cruel.
I realize that ship's captains are corporate employees, but they're still ostensibly the masters of their vessels, and certainly subject to international maritime law, which, according to the NPR article, is unambiguous:
Even as a young boy, I knew the Captain was the master of the ship, enough so that the company representative bullying Leslie Neilsen's character in the beginning of The Poseidon Adventure always rang false to me. If these allegations prove true, this joker is no more fit to command a ship than the disgraced master of the Costa Concordia.
Although, I do know of passengers calling the 1-800-Princess type number during their cruise to report problems and then expecting the cust svc rep in Valencia, CA (my sister) to just xfer their call to the bridge of the cruise the passenger is calling from.
The only words every posted here by KathrynT that I disagreed with. Institutions are made of human beings. Humans have moral obligations to their fellow humans, regardless of pressure. Institutions' obligations last minute cruise discounts are to things like shareholders, prestige, and self-perpetuation.
last minute cruise discounts The Star Princess is a Bermuda flagged vessel , and Section last minute cruise discounts 101 of the the Merchant Shipping act of 2002 provides for criminal penalties for the master of a Bermuda ship who fails to provide assistance on receiving at sea a signal of distress last minute cruise discounts or information from any source last minute cruise discounts that a ship or aircraft is in distress .
The three fishermen were poor and of mixed race/black. last minute cruise discounts Therefore their lives were judged last minute cruise discounts cheap, if not worthless. It's as simple as that. See also WWII sole-survivor Poon Lim, spotted at least once on his epic 700-mile drift across the mid-Atlantic, but not picked last minute cruise discounts up because he was Chinese.
It's interesting to revisit the answers to my question about this some time ago in light of this event. Particularly the answers to the second part of the question, which talk about formal and informal maritime codes of conduct and so forth.
As a child, my life was saved by a cruise ship that stopped to pick up a boat full of starving Vietnamese refugees. We had been drifting in the ocean for over three weeks after running last minute cruise discounts out of fuel and chased by pirates. This makes me sad on so many levels.
This guy needs to go to jail for manslaughter last minute cruise discounts or something. He was informed that there was a stranded boat. And he was too lazy to do anything about it. And he knew, he fucking knew that he should have done something, so he lied on the reports and made some bogus story about how the cruiseliner had contacted the ship, and was told to just 'carry on'.
How can you even live with yourself after that? One of those kids died the next day. And then the other one died several days later. They died young, by slow, terrible, painful deaths. And they could have been saved if the captain had bothered to care.
Of all the cruise liner companies to ignore the laws of the sea, it's the one that sank one cruiser liner and had another one stranded, powerless, in the middle of the sea within months of each other. Be careful guys, or the next time you'll just get left to die...
I went on a Caribbean cruse with friends of mine in the mid-nineties. My freind was at the end of his life with AIDS and he wanted one last hurrah. Oddly enough the other couple we went with also had an ailing person in it.
Gary complained last minute cruise discounts of a headache pretty much from the time we got on board. He ended up going to the medical folks on board. Imagine my surprise that three days after doing so he was in a coma, and interestingly last minute cruise discounts enough, STILL ON THE DAMN BOAT!
my father-in-law his girlfriend are cruise fiends. they love to talk about how they can't wait for us to have children so they can bring them on family cruises! I've already written and revised the askme in my head and I'm not even pregnant yet.
My mom and her friend are cruise junkies and she tells me that her non-Carnival cruises will stop and render aid all the time in situations like that. On her last cruise they were delayed almost a day because they were waiting for the Mexican authorities to come pick up fishermen in a similar situation (except, off the coast of Mexico, obviously and you didn't read about it because everyone lived). Mom did say some of the passengers were pissed the cruise was delayed because it meant they'd get to the next port later. last minute cruise discounts But most people saw it for what it was, the duty to render aid at sea. And they're on a fucking floating hotel casino in beautiful weather.
It seems in this case, the captain was more concerned with his on-time stats and catching hell from HQ if he was late. I'm sure there's paperwork to fill out as well. I hope that those on the bridge that decided to ignore the stranded boat are fired and prosecuted.
It's cold comfort, but my understanding of the relevant treaties and regulations leads me to believe the captain had an affirmative duty to render aid, and thus will likely never again sail as master of any vessel.
It's cold comfort, but my understanding of the relevant treaties and regulations leads me to believe the captain had an affirmative duty to render aid, and thus will likely never again sail as master of any vessel.
That's one of the things that makes this situation so appalling, though. He had a legal and moral duty. And as a sailor, last minute cruise discounts he probably had a traditional duty as well. One passage that struck me about a book I read on the Andrea Doria sinking was that, since it went down close to the coast of the US, there were no shortage of crews wishing to participate in the rescue. (The book also pointed out, for what it's worth, that one of the ships that played a major role in the rescue was the ocean liner Ile de France .)
Stacked up against all that, he decided last minute cruise discounts to sail on, apparently not even reporting the castaways. I don't know what policies the line has, but it would seem that the captain at least believed his interest lay in ignoring the stricken sailors.
Carnival corporate, come in Carnival corporate, this is Princess Star. Passengers are reporting a distress call in the water. Permission to establish rescue effort. Again, last minute cruise discounts permission to establish rescue effort, over.
This is just mind boggling on so many levels. Even if they didn't want to stop completely, the captain could have still launched one of the SAR zodiacs last minute cruise discounts that the ship carries for this exact purpose and had the boat checked out and then radioed for help if the zodiac couldn't take all of the castaways back to the cruise ship for some reason. Just callous. And falsifying the log shows he knew he did wrong and tried to cover his tracks.
(by which I mean, they're not actually guilty. At all. But they'll be stuck with the memory of this, and wonder if they could have, I don't know, rappelled onto the bridge and forced it to turn around)
This is just mind boggling on so many levels. Even if they didn't want to stop completely, the captain could have still launched one of the SAR zodiacs that the ship carries for this exact purpose and had the boat checked out and then radioed for help if the zodiac couldn't take all of the castaways back to the cruise ship for some reason. Just callous. And falsifying the log shows he knew he did wrong and tried to cover his tracks.
In March 2007, Two people, a 20 year-old and a 22 year-old (both reported to be intoxicated) fell off of their balcony stateroom (D308 on deck 9) the Grand Princess at 1:06AM CDT on March 25th 2007. As soon as the captain, Edward Perrin was notified, the ship was stopped and 2 lifeboats last minute cruise discounts were lowered to search, while the ship was turned around and began to retrace its course
So the cruise line says the captain wasn't told. If so, someone else on the ship thought it wasn't important enough to tell the captain. It could also be that that someone sent a message to the captain and the message last minute cruise discounts was lost or not understood. It's a tragedy, but it may not be evil. We'll have to see once the authorities have investigated. I will withhold judgment until then.
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